[aaronatthedoublef]

I understand the sentiment but I started looking at some of the local small mills here and the least expensive one sells whole wheat bread flour for $20 exclusive of shipping. My sourdough bread is lean and I've had my starter for about six months and I use it exclusively for most breads now (except pizza dough).

But even with my cost being just flour and water that will bring my bread costs up to about $7 a loaf. One of my reasons for making my own bread was because I didn't want to pay the $6 for an artisan loaf. Not saying they are not worth it just saying I don't want to pay it.

[aaronatthedoublef]

Thanks BA. I did turn on the convection and I also pull them off the parchment and separated them on the pan. Definitely helped. I'll raise them higher next time to see.

The next problem is, I need to put them away before they are fully cooled otherwise they are all consumed. This may change a little now that the kids are at school for the morning.

[aaronatthedoublef]

Thanks BA. My oven does some regular convection when adjusting the heat but I can also turn on the fan full time. I will try that.

[aaronatthedoublef]

Cool! People are definitely being creative now. And, at least here, the towns and state are being a little more lenient.

One of the hotels in Maine on my walking route created a little outdoor cafe with an Airstream and two other RVs. The Airstream was the bar with about 10 taps and a pretty decent supply of liquor.

[aaronatthedoublef]

I made a double batch of sourdough sandwich bread. I made a 2.25 lb sandwich load, a 1.5 lb batard to see if I could shape it and what were supposed to be buns but turned into rolls. Both loaves suffered blowouts.

It was the first time I've mixed it by hand as anything this big will overflow my mixer. I think it needed more water. When my dough is wetter and slacker the blowouts do not happen and the buns stay flatter. When the dough is tighter that when I have blow outs and I get some very nice, round rolls instead of flatter buns.

I also made some of BA's Sourdough Crackers. I baked one batch with the oven door open to see if allowing some moisture to escape would crisp them up. It did not. The edge crackers are always crisp but the middle ones are a little soggy. I may need to not just turn the pans but actually move the crackers around during baking.

[aaronatthedoublef]

Not sure how much the formula has changed over the years except now they are kosher and they were not until the late 90s. The lard is gone from the filling and that has to be a huge difference.

[aaronatthedoublef]

Len, those are great. Mine always have a flat side. Violet actually prefers the baked to the fried which is fine by me.

[aaronatthedoublef]

Poilane is one of the paragons of the "true sourdough" pain au levain in the article so it is interesting that her own cookbook recipe includes commercial yeast.

The article also draws distinctions between hard and liquid starter and commercial starter. I have not tried starter from KAF so I don't know how it compares. Over on the BBGA there were plenty of bakers giving away starter. I still want to try saving some old bread dough to use as starter for new dough.

[aaronatthedoublef]

I have not had Hydrox in years and Len, like you, people stopped liking the name. It made people think of hydrogen peroxide.

I like Jo-Jos and Whole Foods. I have not had Target but I may try them. I like the peppermint flavor that comes out at Christmas and I do like double stuff. I was making my own before Nabisco came out with them by combining two Oreos and eating the leftover cookies separately. Chips Ahoy are awful.

Maybe I'll make Fauxreos this weekend!

[aaronatthedoublef]

Len, I'm surprised you've never tried Hydrox as they are a Chicago product! According to the podcast the name, was originally considered to be superior to Oreos but fell out of favor as it sounded to much like chemicals and people wanted natural products.

Oreos filling contained lard until 1997 or 98 (both dates are mentioned in the podcast).

[aaronatthedoublef]

CM, that was the disappointing bread we bought at the farmer's market. We didn't try their pizza after we had their bread.

[aaronatthedoublef]

I made my sourdough sandwich loaf and for the first time had NO BLOWOUTS! My kids had bread I did not make last week for the first time since March. We had a combination of store bread and bakery bread from a farmer's market. The store bread was what it was. The bakery bread was very disappointing. Spongy with not much rise. Decent taste but bad texture.

[aaronatthedoublef]

CWC, I am sorry to hear about your mom.

[aaronatthedoublef]

BA's crackers are made with butter. BA has subbed in some oil for some of the butter. But they use all butter in the original recipe here. They also use white whole wheat but I am using red whole wheat as that is what I have.

I can't find my copy of the recipe otherwise I would give you the notes BA gave me.

[aaronatthedoublef]

I knew the answer but also misread the question. Ugh

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