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  • #19343
    RiversideLen
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      I wanted something familiar and something different so I made an unusual pizza. I diced and oven browned some potato. Then I browned some ground beef and diced carrot with some Mexican Chorizo seasoning and tomato paste and enough water for the consistency I wanted. I lined a cast iron pan with pizza crust, put a little cheese on it and baked it for 10 minutes (425 degrees). Then I put in the diced potato and beef mixture. Topped it with cheese and returned it to the oven until it was done.

      I don't know if I should call it a pizza or a meat and potato pie. It was good.

      #19341
      BakerAunt
      Participant

        For Tuesday's dinner, we are having Panko-Parmesan coated roasted chicken breast halves (which we will likely halve) with more of the leftover quinoa salad.

        #19337
        Mike Nolan
        Keymaster

          Jim Hicken, a member of the Bread Bakers Guild of America (BBGA), has created several lengthy resource documents on bread, aimed largely at home bakers and bread consumers and ranging from pretty basic information to fairly technical stuff. It does an excellent job covering material from a wide range of sources and is extensively footnoted.

          He has permitted me to share his efforts with you, with the request that if you find the resource useful, you consider making a donation to your local food bank.

          Here's the link to the documents:

          Bread Documents

          #19336
          chocomouse
          Participant

            I was wondering how far most of you have to drive to buy groceries. When I moved here, from the suburbs of Chicago, it was a real hardship to have to drive 30 minutes to a typical grocery store. I've adjusted, learned to plan ahead, now have an empty nest (a huge help!) and shop only about every 2-3 weeks. The receipt for a typical trip runs about $60-70. And, I shop at only one store, although there are two others choices of major grocery stores in that area. Of course, it helps a lot that I garden and have two freezers full at this time of the year. I do make an occasional trip to BJs, maybe once a month, for a few certain items. We have a gas station/quick shop to get my husband's gallon of milk when he runs out. There is a tiny so-called grocery store about 7 miles away, but I gave up on that long ago - the produce they have for sale would be in the compost pile at my house.

            #19332
            Mike Nolan
            Keymaster

              I grew up in a small town that had two grocery stores, both with a full-service meat counter plus a butcher shop. All have closed over the years. There are a few grocery items at the gas station/convenience store, but most people have to drive to a neighboring town to get most grocery items.

              I've lived in Chicago and in Lincoln since the early 70's, I think it would be a major change to deal with small town issues like groceries and meal planning.

              Even Lincoln was a bit of a shock after being able to find ANYTHING in Chicago, and a full-service butcher is practically unheard of out here, most things come in a box, if you're lucky they will cut it for you. We knew people who drove to Kansas City (150 miles) once or twice a month just because of the shopping limitations in Lincoln and Omaha.

              And small-town medical care is rapidly disappearing, too.

              #19331
              BakerAunt
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                Moving to this small town was quite a change from where I lived before. There I had two grocery stores that I shopped often, and a Walmart. Occasionally, I'd go to Target.

                Where I live now, there is one grocery store in town. It has the occasional deals, as well as 10% off for senior citizens on Tuesday, but there prices on most items are rather high and produce is limited. The farmers market has been helpful with the latter; while not less expensive than the grocery, the produce is usually superior. There is also a CVS, and that is where I buy my milk, as well as a few grocery items (canned chicken, Healthy Request Tomato soup) when they are on special.

                We drive to a larger town about 30 minutes away for big grocery trips, usually about every two to three weeks. We always shop Aldi's, which usually has good produce with the better prices and carries ground turkey, at a good price, which we cannot get locally. My husband gets his quick cooking oats there, and I've found their canola oil to be a good price. They had excellent butter prices, but I rarely buy it anymore. They have good prices on nuts, usually, as well as chopped dates, although the latter is a seasonal offering.

                Across the highway is the Walmart. It carries KAF flour at a reasonable price, and we usually pick up condiments. They have a good price on frozen salmon. However, we seem to be buying less food there than we once did.

                A short distance away is a Kroger across the street from a Walgreens. Walgreens often has good prices on some foods when they have sales (nuts, tuna, sugar), although lately they seem to be out of advertised items when we are there. The Kroger carries the soba noodles we cannot do without, and it's where I found peanut butter and almond butter without additives (although the almond butter is expensive). They have great prices on the peanuts my husband likes as snacks. Their yogurt prices often beat out Walmart, and there are the occasional specials on flours. I can get Bob's Red Mill products there, although I find the prices a bit high. (Note: CVS, Walgreens, and Kroger require free membership cards to get most sale prices.)

                I do more advance menu planning now, as I need to have items on hand for several weeks of possible meals, even if I don't always know exactly when I will be making a specific meal.

                #19330
                Mike Nolan
                Keymaster

                  We have 2 grocery stores close to us, plus a WalMart and a Target superstore a bit further away. I tend to buy our meat at one of the stores and milk at the other (and neither at WalMart or Target.) But WallyWorld has the best price on KAF AP, though they don't always have KAF Bread flour (and Target usually has a better price anyway.)

                  So I probably hit the two grocery stores once a week each, sometimes twice, WalMart once every few weeks and Target infrequently. There's another grocery store a little further away, the same corporate ownership as one of the two we frequent, but it's their 'full service' store as opposed to more of a warehouse model. I would buy a few things there, including tea, but they apparently no longer carry the type of tea I was buying. (Stewarts, out of Chicago.) I doubt I visit it more than once or twice a year.

                  There used to be a 'gourmet' grocery store further away that had lots of interesting stuff and was a long-time Lincoln store, dating back to the 1920's. It got acquired by the other 'gourmet' store and IMHO went downhill, but that other store had also declined over the years, it once had the best meat department in the city. Then the acquired store burned down and they chose not to rebuild, due in part to code issues affecting the size of the parking lot. So now someone's building a bicycle shop on that lot.

                  The best meat market in town is now in the east part of town, a 20 minute drive but the quality is excellent and the prices are usually reasonable. They carry things I can't get anywhere else, like veal shanks, and they can special order a lot of things with a few days notice, like a 40 pound box of chicken backs for making stock.

                  #19324
                  Mike Nolan
                  Keymaster

                    WalMart evaluates what products it stocks almost continuously. Local store managers used to have more discretion as to what they could choose to carry or not, these days they're generally limited to deciding about items of local interest, and even that can get factored into the corporate model. (A WalMart in Nebraska WILL CARRY Husker merchandise!)

                    I'm having trouble finding Promise margarine. (Although I only use butter when cooking, we prefer a soft margarine for things like toast.) The Promise Activ (high omega-3) product seems to have vanished completely, and now 2 of the 3 stores we shop at regularly aren't carrying any Promise products at all. (WalMart still has it.)

                    Recently several of the stores we frequent have gone through a reorganization, so it is hard to find anything. In the process, a number of products seem to have disappeared.

                    I was at a WalMart on the other side of town the other day, and walked through the area for flour and other baking ingredients. It was depressingly small with very limited variety. (No KAF products at all.) On the other hand, there were plenty of box mixes. I guess folks on that side of town don't do much real baking.

                    #19320
                    BakerAunt
                    Participant

                      We went grocery shopping in the larger town north of us today, as we had errands to run, and it is never too early to get a jump on some items for Thanksgiving dinner. I was surprised that the Walmart did not have Pepperidge Farm stuffing mix, only the stove top stuff that I won't go near. I found it at Kroger (blue bag of course!) and discovered, yet again, that the price is the same but the contents have been reduced. It used to come in 16 oz. bags in my youth. I think it's been 14 oz. for a while. Now it is 12 oz.

                      Walmart also did not carry any reduced fat evaporated milk. They did have nonfat in their own brand. Oh, and there was only Pet, no Carnation. I did find 2% fat Pet evaporated milk at Kroger (no Carnation), so I bought two cans, as I want to attempt my turkey pot pie after Thanksgiving, and maybe my mother's turkey tetrazzini casserole. For the pot pie, I'd need to leave out the butter (or at least most of it). The tetrazzini is another matter, as it calls for heavy cream, and I know that making it with milk does not give the desired result. I also have a turkey and wild rice cream soup that I'd like to make friendly to my current approach to food.

                      I was pleased that Kroger had King Arthur unbleached flour on sale for $2.99 per bag, and I had a coupon from Sunday's paper for $1 off. Score! Bob's Red Mill Whole Wheat flour was also on sale for $3.99, and since I'm running low, I bought a bag, even though I hope to do a big order to them soon.

                      I was able to buy a large tub of Land o' Lakes light butter canola spread. We were almost out. I hope that it will last until LOL gets its financial situation sorted out.

                      Walmart is changing what it carries, and I'm still learning about what grocery stores in this region stock and do not stock.

                      • This topic was modified 6 years, 5 months ago by BakerAunt.
                      • This topic was modified 6 years, 5 months ago by BakerAunt.
                      #19312
                      Mike Nolan
                      Keymaster

                        I've bought butter at Sams, it doesn't seem any better or worse than house brands at the grocery store. I was never all that impressed with LOL butter over other brands, the European ones are different, higher fat and somewhat different taste, probably because the cream is cultured before it is churned. (Higher fat is controlled by how much buttermilk you press out, in the USA I think it has to be a minimum of 80% butterfat and most dairies aren't going to go higher unless they can charge a higher price for it.)

                        #19302
                        Mike Nolan
                        Keymaster

                          We often put a mixture of ricotta cheese and finely shredded (nearly pureed) spinach in the bottom layer. The biggest issue with that is ricotta cheese and spinach both will make the bottom a little watery, so you need to let it sit longer before you try to cut it. We usually let it sit 15 minutes anyway.

                          I have the first batch of test breadsticks in the oven, using the Clonmel recipe, I rolled them out to about pencil size and brushed them with melted butter. I'm baking them at 400 degrees and will check them at 10 minutes, though I think they'll take about 15.

                          I also made a bigger one dividing some dough into two parts, one of which I rolled in cheese powder. Then I twisted the two together and divided it into three pieces. I'll bake this with the Vienna bread, but it may need to come out earlier.

                          Mike Nolan
                          Keymaster

                            Still haven't made my Vienna bread, been distracted a lot lately. I plan to make it today, and I'm going to use some of that dough (the Clonmel Kitchens double crusty recipe) to experiment with bread sticks.

                            #19294
                            Mike Nolan
                            Keymaster

                              If you do the milk/seeds thing, then let them rise upside down, any deflation seems to work itself out in the final rise. Similarly, any deflation from when you flip them over again for baking seems to be taken care of by oven spring. I find putting the seeds on before the final rise helps them stick. (I find a little diluted honey helps stick them even better, I've used a honey-and-milk mixture a few times, too.)

                              #19289
                              BakerAunt
                              Participant

                                I'm taking notes on Len's experiments. I noted that a lot of the U-Tube videos brush the tops of the risen Kaiser rolls with milk and then dip them in a seed mixture (how do they not deflate?) or brush the tops with milk, then sprinkle the seeds on top.

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                                #19270
                                BakerAunt
                                Participant

                                  Aaron makes a good point about fat in that we know that there are different kinds of fat and that to some extent it depends on individual physiology, age, and perhaps gender. Heart disease is actually the leading cause of death for women.

                                  I'm still shocked that my cholesterol was so high, and that while cutting out most saturated fat (i.e.--staying below 11 grams per day) dropped it significantly, it's still high. My rule of thumb is that if I am going to eat an item with saturated fat, it must have other important vitamins and minerals. Thus, I have not cut out eggs or olive oil or canola oil or 1% milk, but I cut my butter consumption to a tiny amount. (I also gave up chocolate candies, tortilla chips, chicken skin.) When I bake, I use canola or olive oil, and occasionally, I use grapeseed oil for a more neutral taste. I tried nonfat regular yogurt, but I cannot get one here that does not have additives to thicken it, and the taste is not so great. I can get Chobani nonfat Greek yogurt, which does not have the additives and tastes good.

                                  One of my concerns about the collapse of dairy--and a public perception that dairy is "bad,"--is that calcium is needed for bone development, and I wonder if the plant-based "milk" drinkers will be having issues with that down the road.

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