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  • #17449

    In reply to: Kitchens and Cooks

    Mike Nolan
    Keymaster

      Our kitchen is 17 x 18 feet, with a large center island that has a prep sink on the south side, along with a 2 drawer SubZero undercounter refrigerator, and an electric cooktop on the north side. There's a stack of drawers beside the prep sink, and drawer/cabinet space on both sides of the cooktop.

      The west wall has a 48" DCS Dual Fuel range with a vented range hood, with granite countertop to the right and butcher block to the left. The granite extends to the north wall, which has the dishwasher, a double sink and the pantry cabinet, plus additional under-cabinet storage (we call it the 'overstock' area.) There's a lazy susan in the corner with 2 shelves.

      The south wall has more butcher block countertop, lots of under-cabinet storage and a 48" butcher block table that has a marble slab on it. The butcher block countertops is at a lower height than the granite countertop. The lower cabinets are all 30" deep (standard is 24") and the upper cabinets are all 16" deep (standard is usually 13"). There's bookcases above the table.

      The east wall has side-by-size SubZero refrigerator and freezer, some more storage areas, and a desk area that has a microwave on it and another bookcase above it.

      The under-cabinet storage areas all have a drawer at the top, so we have a total of 9 top drawers around the outside and 3 more on the island. Every top drawer has a pull-out cutting board surface, which gives us extra temporary work space. (The desk drawer is the only one that doesn't have the pull-out). All of the under-cabinet storage areas have pull-out shelves, 2 per cabinet.

      There's a warming drawer below the cooktop, though we generally just use it as a snack drawer, and pot storage below that.

      There's also a butler's pantry just off the kitchen, mainly for fancy dishes and stuff we don't use every day.

      #17448
      Italiancook
      Participant

        I had a horrible experience trying to make Now or Later Pizza dough (KAF), and it's not KAF's fault. First, I couldn't get either of my 2 paddle beaters onto the mixer. My husband and I had to push, pull, and twist for a long time until one of the beaters went on. Mixed dough for 2 minutes and the head of the mixer wasn't acting right. Managed to take off the paddle beater, after some time. Thankfully, the dough hook went on fine.

        As the mixer was running, the head kept bouncing up and down. Took bowl and hook off. My husband worked a long time trying to fix the problem. A hinge that goes from one side of the mixer to the other side had come almost completely out. Husband and I worked and worked trying to right it. Finally succeeded. Mixer head still bounced. We realized the head is tilted. I machine-kneaded the dough for a few minutes and gave up. I should have finished it by hand-kneading, but didn't think of that. Husband was busy with a screw driver, talking, and I gave up on the kneading. Covered dough and hoped for the best.

        It rose fine. I put half in the freezer and half in the refrig for tomorrow. Called Kitchenaid customer service. A nice woman walked me through an adjustment that didn't solve problem. She said to check the beater to bowl contact with a dime, but bowl is in dishwasher. Will do that later today. If that doesn't solve the problem, she said it needs servicing, but there's no service center around here. So tomorrow, I may be shopping for a new stand mixer. I'll go with the cheapest KitchenAid again, as this one has lasted 19 years.

        Hmmmm, but since I'm now making bread and pizza dough more often, I wonder if I need a heavier duty stand mixer. I have limited counter space for it, and it must not be any longer or wider than the one I have now. I sure hope I'm thrilled with the taste of the pizza tomorrow after all this!

        Anyone have an idea why the paddle beaters didn't want to go on the mixer? Or why they wouldn't turn to lock? Or why they were bears to twist off? I used a brush on the spring & no debris came off. I brushed the inside and edges of the beaters and still had problems. The instruction book says they can be washed in dishwasher, and that's what I do. The kneading hook went on and off like a charm, but I don't use it as often as the paddle beaters.

        #17447

        In reply to: Kitchens and Cooks

        aaronatthedoublef
        Participant

          We have a kitchen that sounds similar to Mike's. We have a kitchen with an island that we use for prep and also for eating/entertaining. My wife also currently uses it for her office. Our daughter likes to eat there to sit next to her mom.

          We have an informal dining area off the kitchen which connects to the family room. Then we also have a formal dining room off the kitchen. What I don't like about our kitchen is that I cannot seal off the noise of the kitchen from the rest of the house. So if the kids are playing or watching television in the family room and we're using a blender or mixer it's very loud in the family room and even on the second floor where we have bed rooms.

          My wife is like BA's husband and likes everything put out of sight. I like what we use all the time at hand. Plus, we do not have a pantry or enough storage so we compromise some.

          How much do people really cook and really bake. We have a huge Walmart that used to have a massive amount of ingredients. Lots of different flours and meals from KAF, Bob's, Pillsbury, etc. It's been mostly replaced with mixes and in fact the sign does not even mention flour any more - sugar, spices, and mixes.

          We were at KAF last weekend and their shop was mostly mixes.

          At the same time there are blogs and shows like Great British/American Baking Shows (if the American version ever comes back). And most of the Food TV baking competitions have some number of home bakers. So where are these folks buying their ingredients?

          #17444

          In reply to: Kitchens and Cooks

          chocomouse
          Participant

            For our informal, retired lifestyle, the open floor plan we designed when we had our house built in 1985 fits us perfectly. We don't entertain much, but when we do, it is large, family gatherings. The large island in the kitchen area (which is actually pretty small, but I do have a huge walk-in pantry nearby) is perfect for setting out foods buffet style. And I can cook and socialize at the same time - company who do not cook are often mesmerized while watching, for example, the making of gravy! There is a gigantic stone fireplace in the living room area for cozy seating, and views from the kitchen through the dining area and out through the passive solar sunroom. I cannot tolerate the confining boxy rooms I grew up with in a colonial style house, but need open spaces and floor to cathedral ceiling windows. I do sometimes regret the small kitchen and the shortage of counter-top work space. It's interesting what a kitchen (one that is used and is a personal choice) can tell you about personality.

            #17439
            Mike Nolan
            Keymaster

              Which of these game birds is the lightest (dressed weight)?

              [See the full post at: Daily Quiz for August 8, 2019]

              #17429
              KIDPIZZA
              Participant

                BAKERAUNT:
                Good evening to you. I read your inquiry with much delite. It just so happens thet I just finished 5 pounds of coleslaw yesterday & today. I began gifting it out to the care givers this morning.

                I use some sour cream & Best foods Mayo but you can subst. miricle whip(sp) if you need to.
                Trust me, it is the very best cole slaw you will ever taste.... very similar to KFC type.

                As Mike Nolan says once you cut the cabbage heads the water begins to ooze out it is packed with it. My way is to drain most of the water before applying the flavored concoction twice in 2 days.... an overnite if you will. I will call you very soon & discuss it with you.

                NONE BETTER!!!!

                ENJOY THE DAY MARLISS.

                KIDPIZZA/CASS.

                #17422
                BakerAunt
                Participant

                  I recently came across two articles that discuss what I'd call the cultural philosophy of the kitchen. (If you can come up with a more precise term, go ahead.) The first was included as a link in Deb Perelman's last Smitten Kitchen blog post. It has TMI on a show that I don't watch and am glad that I don't, but the first part of the article, with its picture of the 1950s revolutionary kitchen is interesting:

                  https://www.curbed.com/2019/8/1/20747174/big-little-lies-houses-set-design

                  The second one is by Ruth Reichl, in which she discusses what, for her, makes for the essence of a kitchen:

                  https://www.realsimple.com/home-organizing/organizing/organizing-kitchen/ruth-reichl

                  BTW, the Reichl article has one right after it about kitchen organization--and some of the ideas, IMHO, appear to be for people with WAY TOO MUCH TIME on their hands, and who don't do that much real cooking in their kitchens.

                  I find these discussions interesting because I often think about how kitchens have changed from the room closed off from everything else to open concept--the latter requiring a degree of tidiness that I personally don't associate with kitchens. Our now remodeled kitchen is open concept, in part because that is how the long narrow house is built, and people mostly come in the back door (front door is on lake side), which means they walk through the kitchen, although there is another side door that lets entrants bypass the kitchen.

                  My husband did not want me to have canisters, etc. on the counter of our new kitchen, but that's not how I work. Given the moderate storage capacity of our new kitchen, I don't expect to hear complaints once we are settled about various jars of beans, pasta, etc. However, I am trying to organize on the counters, so that it won't be cluttered, and I am keeping the unrefrigerated flours and sugar in the big utility pantries.

                  So, I'm curious: What would you say is the cultural philosophy of your kitchen?

                  • This topic was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by BakerAunt.
                  • This topic was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by BakerAunt.
                  #17409

                  In reply to: The 2019 Gardens

                  BakerAunt
                  Participant

                    Chocomouse--We live on a bluff that has a steep hill down to the lake. We think that the cottage owners in the 1930s may have put in the terrace because a nearby neighbor remembers the woman's flowers from when she was a child. That woman's initials, A.M. (Anna Minas) are carved in the cement of the top of the concrete steps, so they certainly did the steps. The walls are stone, but may have been changed around by the people who bought the place in the 1950s. The terraces' original purpose may have been erosion control. (I've been researching the owners of the house and its history. It might make a good writing project.) When we moved in, there were a lot of an ancient reed plant on the various levels, some flowers, and two large trees. The black oak is still there, but we had to have the sassafras removed because it had heart rot, and had it come down in a hard blow it would have hit the neighbor's house.

                    My husband wants the terraces to be a natural landscape, which makes us stand out with the "suburbites" here. He has planted various native wildflowers and plants, as well as a couple more trees. He introduced the black raspberries and the blackberries, and now the blueberries. We actually got more black raspberries on the other side this time, so we shall see what happens in the future. I am allowed to pull a couple of kinds of weeds, but mostly I leave it alone, as once I pulled out a plant he wanted. Oops. My husband has been carting gravel out of each level, as well as plastic that was put down under the gravel by the 1950s-2004 residents to deter weeds. (It didn't work.)

                    It's a bit on the wild side, and once the house is complete, my husband will have more time to devote to it. We have columbine in the spring, black-eyed Susans, some day lilies, and other plants that attract butterflies, bees, and even hummingbirds.

                    I would like to start composting, both for the terrace and for our garden in the back. Once we are more settled, I plan to learn about how to do it.

                    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by BakerAunt.
                    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by BakerAunt.
                    #17408
                    Mike Nolan
                    Keymaster

                      I have a number of small dishes that I bought to fit our small oven (they have to be no more than about 8 1/2 inches wide to fit on the lower or middle rack), some glass and some metal. I find them handy when making multiple dishes in the big oven that I either want to keep separate or that have different cooking times.

                      #17406
                      BakerAunt
                      Participant

                        On our Tuesday shopping trip, we came upon a good price on whole chicken legs, so I roasted the package of six for dinner. We had microwaved fresh broccoli as well I had bought fingerling potatoes at the farmers market about ten days ago, so I looked at internet recipes and chose this one:

                        https://www.jessicagavin.com/roasted-fingerling-potatoes/

                        My biggest problem is that I cannot fit my skillet (All-Clad not cast iron) into the oven with the roasting chicken. What to do? Cook the potatoes for 25 minutes after the chicken comes out? Or carry a hot skillet over to the apt. and use that oven there while the chicken finishes up in the house, then carry an even hotter one back? (If I could have fit a second oven into this kitchen, I would have done so.) I settled for using the apt. oven as well. The fingerling potato recipe is excellent. I will be making it again. However, I cut back the garlic, as a little goes a long way.

                        #17399
                        BakerAunt
                        Participant

                          We've had cooler weather this Tuesday, so I baked my Hot Cross Buns recipe (one I have fiddled with for years to make it more wholegrain) with fresh blueberries. It does get a bit messy incorporating them, but we both like the results. Once they cool, I'll frost them (no cross, just frosting!). We will have one for dessert tonight, and happily eat them whenever for the rest of the week.

                          #17398
                          chocomouse
                          Participant

                            I've used Miracle Whip, Kraft, Hellman's and found no significant difference in the dressing, just adjust the amount sugar and vinegar. When the weather is hot, I do most of my cooking in the early morning, and I find the flavors in this dressing are well-developed by dinner time, and it does need 8-10 hours to "marinate". I like Mike's warning about the "soupy cole slaw" if you use a lot of dressing. Italiancook's recipe sounds good, but might need a bit more vinegar. The key is to taste the dressing before putting it on the cabbage - and add more sugar or more vinegar as needed. And, for sure, use (apple) cider vinegar, not white vinegar. I see a lot of cole slaw on dinner tables next week!

                            #17393
                            BakerAunt
                            Participant

                              Thank you, Italian Cook. There is, alas, no Miracle Whip in the house, only low-fat Kraft mayonnaise. I wonder what that chemical reaction was. (Is there a quiz question here?) If Miracle Whip is essential, the slaw would need to wait until we do another grocery run to the town north of us. I'd also need to use low-fat. (I never use nonfat--that stuff is yucky.)

                              That makes sense that the cole slaw would need to sit for a day. I find the same is true of my potato salad.

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                              #17387
                              Italiancook
                              Participant

                                Because Mike posted that the ingredients in a recipe aren't copyrighted, I'm going to give BakerAunt the ingredients for Cole Slaw from my favorite cookbook: Cook-Ahead Cookery.

                                2 pound head green cabbage
                                2 carrots
                                1 green pepper
                                3 tablespoons vinegar(NOTE: my mom always used apple-cider vinegar in her cole slaw.)
                                1/3 cup sugar
                                1-1/2 cups Miracle Whip

                                BakerAunt, my mom always used Miracle Whip in her cole slaw, instead of mayonnaise. There are flavors in Miracle Whip not present in mayonnaise. She also used Miracle Whip in her Kidney Bean Salad. Once I made the bean salad with mayonnaise and had a terrible chemical reaction that changed the color! The note for the vinegar is from my mom. My mom never served cole slaw on the same day she made it. She always made it the day before serving. I don't know if that's really necessary.

                                • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by Italiancook.
                                • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by Italiancook.
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                                #17384

                                In reply to: The 2019 Gardens

                                BakerAunt
                                Participant

                                  We have finished (and frozen some) of our bean crop. Our snow peas have finished up as well.

                                  So far, I've gotten two tomatoes off the "Carbon" tomato plant. One was past its useful life; these tomatoes tend to have a dusky red he and dark green around the top when ripe, and so we missed seeing it was ripe. The other I used in a salad, and it is delicious. There are plenty of green tomatoes yet on the plant, as well as on the ones that my husband started from seed. I suspect that there will be a mad tomato rush at some point.

                                  Some kind of caterpillar has been chomping my husband's broccoli plants, which have not developed any flowers. With the construction, the grass around the fenced garden perimeter is rather long. Next year we will try a "clear" zone around the perimeter. For now, my husband is executing any caterpillars he finds.

                                  There are four peppers on my bell pepper plant. We are waiting for them to turn red, as we do not care for green ones. The plant has some flowers, so there may be more.

                                  My husband never got to the woods to pick black raspberries, due to the construction, so we only ended up with a few from there. I was only able to make 3 1/2 cups black raspberry jam. However, 90& of the berries came from our front terrace. When my stepdaughter was here, she went out to the woods with my husband and tasted some of the last of the black raspberries and loved them, so I included the 1/2 cup jar with the birthday present we sent.

                                  I'd hoped for lots of blackberries, since I always seed them; thus, I need lots in order to make straight blackberry jam. My husband's woods used to have some nice ones, but the trees have now come up and shaded them out. I've been picking what we have on the front terrace. I expect those to finish up this week. If I don't have quite enough, I'll sneak in some blueberries to make up the shortage.

                                  Some of our wild blueberries on the terrace produced a bit of fruit, but my husband is saving those for seed. Our two commercial plants are young, and so had very little fruit--and one has been crowded by the construction scaffolding. I expect that they will do better next year.

                                  My husband is going to try one more small bean crop. While it seems strange to think of a freeze when we are sweltering in August, the reality is that it could happen by the time they are producing, so he will put them toward the center where he can cover them if necessary.

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