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When we were in Germany (nearly 17 years ago) I had some really dark rye bread that I think may have been similar to a Westphalian pumpernickel.
Yes, I think it has some similarity to the wrapped rye breads. And unlike a lot of recipes, it doesn't rely on coffee, cocoa or food coloring to make it dark.
This first loaf mighty wind up being difficult to slice, but I'm hoping the flavor makes up for any slicing issues, and if there's a next time I'll probably add even more water than I did this time.
February 17, 2023 at 9:51 pm in reply to: What are you Cooking the Week of February 12, 2023? #38474I hope they can get it done on schedule, I've heard too many stories of remodeling projects in the last year or two that ran months because of shortages in supplies and labor.
I forgot to post a picture of the Westphalian pumpernickel loaf as it came out of the pan. We're both looking forward to trying some tomorrow afternoon, probably with some sharp cheese.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.February 17, 2023 at 10:15 am in reply to: What are you Baking the Week of February 12, 2023? #38466I was wondering about how commercial bakeries produce Westphalian rye bread, my wife thinks in volume it might be easier than in small quantities, since commercial mixers are designed to handle stiff doughs better than most home mixers.
The ingredient list is simple enough: 750 grams of coarse rye meal, 750 grams of boiling water for the scald (though I added water, and could probably have added more, I think my rye was more finely ground than a 'coarse meal', and that soaked up a lot of water), another 350 grams of rye meal and 12 grams of salt in the final dough. No yeast. In fact, the scald probably kills off any yeast present in the rye, so what happens during the overnight rest for the scald is amylase activity to break down starch, not yeast activity.
February 17, 2023 at 10:04 am in reply to: What are you Baking the Week of February 12, 2023? #38465In a two-stage bread, the starter is one column and the final dough is a second column, there's a third 'total' column as well.
If you refresh your starter like this: 500 grams of starter, 500 grams of flour, 500 grams of water, then in the starter column the flour is 100%, the water is 100% and the total yield for that stage is the amount you would add to the final dough, for example, 120 grams of starter. You'll have to weight it at least once, I guess, since a lot of recipes say to use something like a cup of starter, and the weight of that would vary based on the hydration level of the starter. 'Starter' becomes a row in the table and the amount you add is in the final recipe column.
This tells you that the starter is fed at a 100% hydration level (a common way of feeding a starter). How much starter you use when feeding it is a separate matter, it isn't clear to me exactly how that affects the starter over time. In the Tartine Bread books, Chad Robertson recommends using a very small amount of starter, like 1%, when feeding it, so he'd use 1 gram of starter to 100 grams of flour and 100 grams of water. He calls this an 'immature' starter.
I was recently reading a journal article in which the hydration level of the starter was one of the keys to the microculture the starter develops, higher hydration starters favor a different mix of yeasts and bacteria than lower hydration starters. How often you feed it, what you feed it and what temperature you keep it at are the other components, the article suggested that no matter how you get your starter going (build one, buy one, get one from a friend), those four factors (feeding frequency, hydration, flour, temperature) determine the microculture of the starter over time.
For example, one of the main LABs in sourdough is Fructilactobacillus sanfranciscensis (new nomenclature, lactobacillus was split up into several genuses, with fructilactobacillus being one of them) and in a starter kept at room temperature, fed at least daily, and at 100% or more hydration F. sanfranciscensis will become the dominant LAB, no matter where you live.
I've seen some recipes that have as many as five stages. The intermediate stages, like a starter, soaker, scald or mash, generally get added to the final dough stage, but not always, there's a really complex rye recipe where the stage 1 starter gets added to stage 2, along with other ingredients, then that stage gets added to stage 3, along with more ingredients, then that stage finally gets added to the final dough stage.
The BBGA formatting standard has a place for total % of prefermented flour, I'm not sure what that's used for, but is one of the factors you can manipulate, producing a bread with a different percentage of prefermented flour in it.
I'm playing around with a tool that would allow you to enter your ingredients and the baker's percentage of each (and total yield for each stage) and build an Excel spreadsheet for that recipe so you can adjust the total yield for the recipe and have it recompute each component. (I have plans to go well beyond just a simple spreadsheet generator, but one step at a time!)
February 16, 2023 at 6:40 pm in reply to: What are you Cooking the Week of February 12, 2023? #38461I think we're just going to have more chili tonight.
Looks like we wound up with close to 10 inches of snow, it is already compressing a bit due to the afternoon sun, I went down to the mailbox and the surface was crunchy.
The Westphalian pumpernickel bread has some big cracks in it, my guess is I didn't pack it tightly enough into the pan, it was pretty stiff. I've wrapped it in plastic and will let it age until Saturday afternoon. It is solid but it has a little give, so I don't think it's an inedible brick, but I'm worried it'll crumble when I try to cut it due to the cracks.
It smelled good coming out of the oven.
February 16, 2023 at 11:19 am in reply to: What are you Baking the Week of February 12, 2023? #38454The complexity of the aromas from the Westphalian pumpernickel bread continues to evolve as it gets close to the final hour in the oven.
The dominant odor at the moment is one I'd associate with molasses.
This morning the aroma has more rye tones to it, but also a sweetness, I'm really hoping this loaf comes out as good as it smells. 3 more hours in the oven, and then waiting for it to cool and age for 2 days.
The weather bureau finally got one right, we've got a good 9 inches of snow on the back patio already, and it looks like we could get several more
We're staying home today.
Earlier I was looking at the bird feeder on a pole in the back yard, which we filled the other day. There was one rather large bird on it, probably the young Cooper's hawk we've seen several times. It sat there for several minutes, then flew off, and there have been a half-dozen or more birds at that feeder since, but they weren't getting close to that hawk!
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You must be logged in to view attached files.February 15, 2023 at 11:08 pm in reply to: What are you Baking the Week of February 12, 2023? #38450It's going to be a long wait to find out just how good it is. It probably wouldn't take well to being mailed, though.
I hope this bread tastes as interesting as it smells while baking, I'm getting an odor now that is almost fruity sweet.
February 15, 2023 at 4:58 pm in reply to: What are you Cooking the Week of February 12, 2023? #38445Supper tonight is chili.
February 15, 2023 at 12:02 pm in reply to: What are you Baking the Week of February 12, 2023? #38443I did wind up doing the final kneading of the Westphalian pumpernickel dough in two parts, there was really a noticeable change in the dough's appearance and feel after 20 minutes of kneading with a paddle. (That's supposed to break up the coarse meal a bit.)
Ginsberg calls it a 'glutinous mass' and that's a pretty apt description.
It is in the oven, 40 minutes at 300 and then 24 hours at 220. Will it be a brick at that point? Some of the posts on this recipe at freshloaf are not very encouraging, but my dough seems to be consistent with his descriptions so far, though I did wind up adding extra water to the scald yesterday.
Update: It's been in the oven for about 3 1/2 hours, and I'm starting to get some interesting aromas from the kitchen, probably from the amylase activity and the Maillard reaction. I'm not sure if I would have associated the smell with rye bread if I didn't know what I was making.
February 15, 2023 at 11:00 am in reply to: What are you Baking the Week of February 12, 2023? #38442I found a short video (18 seconds) that might be the spoof Aaron was referring to.
I'm about to go see what happens when I try to do the final dough stage of the Westphalian pumpernickel. (I've been involved in an issue for a client for most of the last 12 hours, I was up until 4 AM working on it.)
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