[Mike Nolan]

Well, the ever-shrinking tuna fish can makes up for the super-sized veggies. 🙂

[Mike Nolan]

I'm not an expert on no-knead recipes, but I think the gluten develops, just not in as controlled a fashion. Bread flour tends to be high in glutenin, which contributes to elasticity. Although I didn't know it at the time I started doing it, adding semolina increases gliadin, which contributes to plasticity.

Several of the 'thin crust' recipes in the Great Chicago-Style Pizza Cookbook add semolina.

The 'hand stretch' fanatics would disown you for using a rolling pin. 🙂

[Mike Nolan]

I think they look OK for home-made candies, I suspect Chef Russ would say they might not look so good in a display case. If I want to take Chocolate 2.0 some time next year (Chocolate 3.0 is the course I really want to take, that's where you redesign ganache recipes), I need to hone my skills, those courses are geared for working professionals.

I'm not looking to make show pieces or fancy plated desserts, though the chefs at the Chocolate Academy presented several examples of their wares at lunch, and they were all restaurant-worthy.

[Mike Nolan]

Mine usually start out pretty close to the same length, but don't always stay that way, I guess I stretch some of them while braiding. I use any extra at the end to fold over and pinch together to make the end hold together better, I hate it when the braid unwinds at one or both ends. Whether that would work as well on a >3 strand braid is something I'd have to do a bunch of them to find out.

[Mike Nolan]

The Dutch Crunch topping recipes I've seen have been mostly rice flour, so they don't have much of a flavor to me, just crunchiness.

[Mike Nolan]

I've tried making a four-strand braid and a five-strand braid, but I haven't tried a six-strand yet. (I've seen instructions for eight- and nine-strand braids!) Anything beyond three-strand would take a lot of practice, I suspect.

A suggestion I've made before to practice complex braids is to get some thick macrame yarn.

[Mike Nolan]

If you're having trouble getting a thin crust pizza dough stretched out really thin, it's probably due to your flour. You need less elasticity (glutenin) and more plasticity (gliadin.) Mind you, I know of no flours available in stores that will tell you what the breakdown of gluten proteins is.

McGee says that one of the ways to add gliadin and increase the plasticity of dough is to add durum wheat, ie, semolina.

[Mike Nolan]

I thought they ones we made in class looked better, but I don't have the 'log' mold we used for that. I made these in a mini-muffin pan, I think they'd be better if they were a little smaller, more bite-sized. I may use gloves to shape them more consistently next time.

[Mike Nolan]

I've got a Zojirushi rice maker, I've used it to steam vegetables and cook custards, but mostly I use it for rice. I've wondered about using it to make a Boston Brown Bread, which is basically a steamed pudding.

It is a simple cooker, No settings dial, just push the lever down. For some types of rice adjusting the amount of water up or down is advised.

This past week I made a couple of test batches of almond rocher haystacks, and one small batch (20 haystacks) using a dark milk chocolate, mostly to test my chocolate tempering pot. The next batch will be made using Ghiradelli milk chocolate coating, I like the dark chocolate ones but my wife thinks they're a bit overpowering.

[Mike Nolan]

I baked a two-layer Celebration Challah for a dinner party someone we know was throwing and it may have been the nicest looking one I've done. BTW, it's 22 inches long.

[Mike Nolan]

I think I learned the most about English grammar in Latin class in HS.

I've got both the Chicago Manual of Style and the AP guide, and I've read Strunk & White many times. There are many books on grammar out there, though most people probably haven't studied it since high school, if then.

[Mike Nolan]

There's a lot of crossover content between this thread and the Jim Leahy thread. I don't think there's a way to merge threads in WordPres/BBpress, though.

[Mike Nolan]

I do know the legend/story of Ike Sewell. There are at least two pizza places in New York that claim to have been the first to have made pizza in the USA, I think there was even a lawsuit over advertisements.

There was a lot of crossover in styles, as most pizza places made several types. And as I recall, the Chicago Magazine article in the mid 70's was criticized for having left out several types of pizza, so an argument could be made that there were several distinct styles of deep dish, of thin crust, etc. I also recall the war between Uno's and Due's, though some of us thought it was an advertising stunt. (Philly still has its cheese steak wars and there used to be a lot of discussion in Chicago over who made the best Italian Beef, too.)

But at least in the 70's (when we lived in Chicago), thin crust was more of a north side style and deep dish a south side style, though Gulliver's (on Howard) made a really good deep dish pizza back then.

As some of the chains, notably Giordano's, became dominant in the 80's, the geographic distribution largely went away. Old north-side thin crust seems to have vanished, Rick's and Pizza Oven closed, My Pie moved and (I'm told), changed styles.

There are a lot of competing claims as to who invented deep dish and who invented stuffed. Thin crust is closer to the style of pizza we found in Italy when we were there, but we were in Turin, and there's probably a lot of regional differences in Italian pizza (like there were in Chicago 40-50 years ago), and it would take a serious pizza crawl to document them. If someone wants to crowd-fund me on such a trip, I'm game!

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[Mike Nolan]

The best book on Chicago pizza is probably the Great Chicago-Style Pizza Cookbook. I believe it is available through Amazon, though I think I bought it in a gift shop at O'Hare Airport. It has a number of different dough recipes (over a dozen, I think) plus a number of sauce recipes.

The pizza dough recipe I have posted here is my variant on one from that book. (I tinkered with the ratios slightly and added semolina.)

There are a number of pizza websites, including Peter Reinhart's Pizza Quest site. I don't recall if Peter has any Chicago-style dough recipes, but as I said in another thread, I'm not convinced he really 'got' what Chicago pizza was about.

I'm a big fan of both deep dish and stuffed, but I really liked thin-crust, which was one of the five distinct styles of Chicago Pizza that Chicago Magazine identified in an article in the mid 1970's, though it seems to have largely disappeared in Chicago these days.

The five styles, and some of the places that specialized in them, at least 40 years ago, were: deep dish, stuffed, thick crust, ultra thin crust and pizza bread. Deep dish originated on the south side (Giordano's), stuffed on the west side (Nancy's), thick crust was near-north (Pizzeria Uno), thin crust was north side (My Pie, Gulliver's, Pizza Oven, Rick's) and pizza bread was common in several areas, though Gulliver's had the best at the time. (When new owners came in at Gulliver's, the story was that they changed the recipe to save on costs, and I'm told the quality suffered badly.)

When I was at Northwestern, there was a pizza place on Central (The Inferno) that made double-dough pizzas where the dough must have been 2 inches thick. I thought they were awful, but for college students on a budget they were cheap and filling.

The two best thin-crust recipes I've found were the 'Roman' dough in Peter Reinhart's book, American Pie, and this one: Thin Crust Dough Recipe. When I say 'thin crust', I mean REALLY thin, you should be able to read newsprint through the dough after it's rolled out! This requires a dough with a lot of extensibility in it, though I can't remember which of the two gluten proteins that is.

[Mike Nolan]

Well, for the most part I wouldn't advise them to go online, either, the quality of much online writing is terrible, it wouldn't have passed in fifth grade English class when I was growing up.

When I was on the school board I lamented at one meeting the fact that nobody knows how to diagram sentences anymore, I'm not sure how many people in the audience, possibly including some teachers, even knew what 'diagramming a sentence' was!

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