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I wonder how many of those fruits and vegetables in Florida were grown in-state? Florida orange groves are down about 75% in the last decade, due to a combination of diseases, weather and land being converted to more profitable residential use. I suspect truck farming has declined as well.
So there's a good chance many of the fruits and veggies you were seeing in Florida came from California, Mexico or South America.
Wonky, a few years back I was doing some rye bread testing, and I took a number of loaves over to my then-neighbor (since he had provided me with a 50 pound bag of high protein flour to see if it had similar characteristics to first clear flour.)
When I took one of the loaves over, I asked him how he liked the one I had sent over a few days earlier. He never got any, his teenage sons had devoured it before he got home that day.
Yeah, I think once it's cultured and in the fridge, you're probably OK leaving it in a jar with a screw on lid though I wouldn't tighten it as hard as you can. The packages of buttermilk with screw on caps are not air tight, I found that out the hard way when one tipped over in the fridge and I wound up with a shelf full of buttermilk the next day.
But during the time that it is culturing, it may be generating gasses that could build up and cause the jar to explode. You do want to keep dust and bugs out, though, so some kind of lid is needed.
I made crackers that were about 1 1/2 by 3 1/4. You need to roll them out really thin, even though I cut back on the leavening they nearly tripled in thickness. I just used a pastry edger to cut lines in them, then broke them up after they had cooled, but it might be better if they were spaced out a bit before baking so they don't touch each other. I think that affected how well they baked, the ones on the outside were more done than the ones in the center.
Even with buttermilk from the store I always shake the carton before using it. As long as it hasn't turned colors and still smells like buttermilk, it seems to be OK for me.
I found it at allrecipes.com, here it is: Graham Crackers
I used whole wheat flour that I had ground myself (on the coarse side), unsalted butter instead of margarine, and I cut the baking soda and baking powder both by about a third. It tastes different from commercial graham crackers, but I think they'd make an interesting graham cracker crust, which I'll probably try this weekend.
How do you define 'a bit old'? I find my buttermilk lasts 2-3 months from when I buy it, usually well beyond its 'expiration date'.
What do you keep your buttermilk in? Do you wash the container out periodically?
Many apples and other fruits are picked when they're shippable, not when they're ripe. Their taste just never develops much further.
Storage apples are seldom great.
How thick did you have the bread sliced? If it's too thick, it never seems to get done in the center.
I'm making a variant on veal marsala tonight using some stew meat veal, which needs a longer cooking time than veal cutlets. So I cut it up into fairly small pieces, lightly browned it, threw in some veal stock, onions, mushrooms and marsala and stuck it in the oven. It smells pretty good so far.
Followup: It was delicious, If I can continue to get the stew veal meat at the store I'll definitely make this again.
I baked the first tray of graham crackers today. I think I may have overbaked them by about a minute, the bottoms are a bit dark, but they're interesting, though quite different from graham crackers from the store. I'll probably roll the next tray out a little bit more.
I think they'll make interesting graham cracker crumbs for a pie crust.
My mother used to get buttermilk (the real stuff, not 'cultured') delivered by the milkman. She'd drink it as well as use it in cooking.
I've got a book on buttermilk cooking that starts out with instructions to make your own butter, buttermilk and creme fraiche. I tried it once, but I think I did something wrong, maybe I didn't have the right stuff to culture the cream with first. (I used kefir.) The buttermilk reminded me of the stuff my mother got, but the butter was kind of weird, not at all like a European cultured butter.
Nice to see you posting, GinaG!
I still couldn't find the old BC thread, but here's a link to an article on how to make a
buttermilk plantAs I recall the other thread, you did leave it out for a while after adding more milk to refresh it, but I don't remember how long.
I grew up in a small town in NW Illinois. It had 2 grocery stores back then, today there are none. It's about 15 miles to the nearest grocery store now. There's a gas station/convenience store that appears to have expanded its grocery inventory somewhat, but not much beyond a few staples.
You might look into making your own buttermilk starter, then all you need to do is add milk periodically. I was looking to see if there was a thread on that brought over from the old BC, but didn't find it, maybe Swirth will see this note and can find it.
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