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  • in reply to: Coming Through the Rye #23194
    Mike Nolan
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      This loaf may not be the best bread to illustrate a blowout, which basically is when the expanding dough splits the surface in a place other than where you wanted it to.. That's why loaves are slashed, to give the dough a place to expand by design rather than by chance.

      When dough is underproofed, it still has more expansion to do, and when you add oven heat it will do so faster than the surface of the dough can expand to keep up with it, so it ruptures.

      in reply to: Coming Through the Rye #23178
      Mike Nolan
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        I guess docking it is an alternative to slashing it, but I'm not sure why it is done that way, perhaps it's just traditional for this bread. According to Ginsberg, this loaf doesn't have a lot of oven spring, maybe slashes wouldn't open up well?

        in reply to: Coming Through the Rye #23166
        Mike Nolan
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          Report on Kassel Rye (Ginsberg, pps 332-335):

          I was tempted to call 'no joy' on this recipe and not give much of a report; Ginsberg says it is technically challenging, and that certainly appeared to be the case for me, but I've never been one to gloss over my less successful bakes.

          kassel-baked‑1

          To start with, I'm not sure my new starter was fully ready for this recipe, though it looks and smells like the last one did. I'll give it a few more feedings before I try it again.

          The recipe uses a 67% hydration sponge, so it should have been similar to the final dough, which is at 65% hydration. But it seemed quite dry, and it just sort of sat there overnight when it should have doubled in size. So, I added some more water and another teaspoon of starter and gave it another night. It was plenty active this time, maybe too active, I'll explain further later on.

          Of course I subtracted the extra water from the final dough. It came together fairly easily, and the final dough weight was pretty much spot on. In retrospect, the dough might have been a little too slack, though.

          The bulk rise instructions didn't exactly specify how much it should rise, though it did increase by about 50%. The final proof was done in a basket lined with my couche.

          kassel-shaped

          Here's what it looked like after proofing.

          kassel-proofed

          When I turned the proofed dough out onto the parchment, it flattened out a bit. Docking the dough didn't seem to deflate it much.

          kassel-docked

          It bakes at a high temperature with steam for the first 10 minutes, then the temperature is lowered. After another 30 minutes or so the top is sprayed with water and it is baked another 5-10 minutes; spraying it with water is what is supposed to bring out a shiny finish that should have a red tint to it.

          My steam setup wasn't working quite right, later I figured out that the tubing had gotten pinched a bit. I wound up squirting about 50 cc's of water by hand into the steam pan, but that means opening the door, letting at least some of the steam escape. I don't know how much impact that had.

          After the top was sprayed with water, it still wasn't getting very dark, so I let it bake a bit longer. It was already pretty solid and the internal temperature was already 208, I think it may have already been overbaked by then.

          Ginsberg says the recipe is fully risen when it goes into the oven, and I can confirm that was the case, as there was little or no oven spring. It did blow out a bit on one side, so it seems likely that the final proof needed more time, underproofed dough often results in a blowout as the water in the dough turns to steam.

          kassel-baked‑2

          The cross section was no more than 2 1/2 by 4 1/2 at the widest point, the piece below is 2 x 4 inches. I was expecting it to be more like 3 x 5.

          kassel-slice

          I didn't weigh the loaf before cutting into it.

          The crust is very thick and REALLY dense and hard to cut through. The inner crumb is fairly tight. It smelled very good, but the taste is well beyond what I'd call 'mild sour', and there's a slight bitter aftertaste. I'm tempted to attribute the sourness mostly to the sponge having sat for a total of 40 hours with twice as much inoculant and the bitter aftertaste to being overbaked.

          I did double-pan it so the bottom doesn't appear burnt.

          I'm OK with the bread, I think it is a bit too sour for my wife. The crust is too stiff to be used as a sandwich bread. The crust may be too stiff to toast.

          So, what have I learned for the next time?

          1. My starter may not be ready for prime time yet.
          2. Don't give the sponge 2 days to rise.
          3. Make sure it is fully proofed before prepping it for the oven.
          4. Lower the oven temperature. (This is something I've noted in other recipes, and so have others baking recipes out of this book.)

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          in reply to: What are You Cooking the Week of April 19, 2020? #23165
          Mike Nolan
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            We did have artichokes tonight.

            in reply to: What are You Baking the Week of April 19, 2020? #23162
            Mike Nolan
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              I wonder if it's including some Word formatting code that's confusing the anti-spam filter?

              I wonder if you can save it to your log, change it to text-only and then do a copy/paste from that? You're the only one this seems to be happening to, which suggest it is something you're doing differently from others.

              in reply to: Daily Quiz for April 24, 2020 #23159
              Mike Nolan
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                I don't know if higher strength vinegar has been tested, 20% strength vinegar is sometimes used as a 'green' herbicide, though you have to use gloves and take other precautions against acid burns, and it isn't systemic, most of the time it kills off the portion of the plant you spray it on but it won't affect the roots, so the weed often regrows. And it isn't selective, whatever you spray it on gets affected.

                in reply to: What are You Baking the Week of April 19, 2020? #23158
                Mike Nolan
                Keymaster

                  Here's an off-the-wall suggestion for keeping your posts from being marked as spam by Akismet. Instead of using fraction characters like ½, type them out as 1/2.

                  I'd ask the Akismet people about it, but their customer response is horrible. If there was a decent competing anti-spam product for WP, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

                  in reply to: The yeast shortage #23150
                  Mike Nolan
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                    Yeah, that's what I remember them being, too. NY Bakers sells a one-pound yeast cake, I may order one at some point just for the experience. Liquid yeast isn't available in sizes home bakers could utilize.

                    in reply to: What are You Baking the Week of April 19, 2020? #23148
                    Mike Nolan
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                      Today I am finishing the Kassel rye I started on Wednesday, the sponge wasn't responding yesterday so I had to fiddle with it and give it another day to ferment. I should have a full report in the Rye Project thread later today.

                      in reply to: What are You Cooking the Week of April 19, 2020? #23146
                      Mike Nolan
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                        You cut the stems off, cut the tips off (they're sharp!) and peel off some of the outer leaves. Then you put them in a container with a little lemon juice and water and steam them. If you do it in a pan, it takes 20-30 minutes depending on their size. My wife does them in the microwave in about 10 minutes, you can also do them in an instant pot or pressure cooker.

                        When you can pull off a leaf easily, they're done.

                        To eat the outer leaves, you peel them off, dip them in a sauce of your choosing (I like sour cream, my wife likes bleu cheese dressing) and scrape off the inner soft part with your teeth. As you get further in, you can nibble on the edge of the leaf a bit, but if it won't easily come off, it is too fibrous to be edible. If you're fortunate enough to find fresh baby artichokes (about the size of a plum), there's a lot more of it that is edible.

                        When you get to the center, you scrape out the fuzzy 'choke' with a spoon to get to the heart, which is the best part.

                        Get a big bowl for the scraps you can't eat. I'm told you can compost them, but I've never done it.

                        Artichoke have an amplification effect on your taste buds, they enhance the taste of everything else you eat.

                        in reply to: The yeast shortage #23145
                        Mike Nolan
                        Keymaster

                          I've read that you can sometimes find yeast cakes in the freezer section, but I've not seen any there locally. They'd be so small I could have overlooked them, though.

                          in reply to: Playing with bread upload pics #23144
                          Mike Nolan
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                            If you're on a PC, I strongly recommend using Irfanview. It is free for non-commercial use, and it gives you a lot of tools to manipulate images but it is very easy to use.

                            I take most of my photos at high resolution (6000 x 4000) and use Irfanview to reduce them to 600 x 400 before uploading them. Sometimes I'll crop out stuff on the sides that isn't needed, like the edge of the pan.

                            It has a batch mode for processing large groups of photos, but I usually do one or two at a time, so I don't use that mode a lot. You can manipulate all the way down to the pixel level.

                            I have something called a ShotBox, which is a portable small photo studio / light box with several photo backgrounds (a Christmas present from my son, who was one of the kickstarter participants for it), but I also went to the craft store and bought a 20x30 sheet of foam board that I use as a background for larger things.

                            in reply to: Funny Cake #23125
                            Mike Nolan
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                              As I noted in the other thread, with this recipe you shouldn't use aluminum foil to cover the cake, the acid from the vinegar will eat right through it in a few hours. May not be all that good on a metal pan, either, but we usually make it in a glass 8x8 pan anyway.

                              in reply to: Dessert for two #23124
                              Mike Nolan
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                                I've looked at a couple of small-batch recipe sites, though not this one.

                                in reply to: What are You Cooking the Week of April 19, 2020? #23122
                                Mike Nolan
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                                  We were originally thinking of having artichokes again, but I had a video conference that ran from 6:30 to 8:30, so we just had leftovers. We'll have the artichokes tomorrow.

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