[Mike Nolan]

As I noted in your recipe (thanks!), the rolls traditionally used in Chicago hold up well to being drenched in jus (though most Chicagoans call it a gravy.) The recipe I posted a link to earlier was said to hold up well when wet, but the batch I made of them yesterday didn't do well, which may be at least partially my fault.

I think I tried the Chicago Metallic pan recipe in an earlier experiment with Italian beef, but I don't remember how well it handled being soaked. I seem to recall that beef recipe was pretty good, but thin slicing is a key component to true Italian beef.

[Mike Nolan]

If there are any butchers in Lincoln willing to slice a roast after you've cooked it, I'm not aware of them. Grocery store butchers aren't very versatile, and sometimes not all that well trained or knowledgeable about meat.

We do have two newer more-or-less full-service butcher shops, I may ask them the next time I'm there. (That's where I went to buy 40 pounds of chicken backs, for example.) They're both on the other end of town, so it isn't somewhere we go weekly.

My son in Pittsburgh has been making Italian beef in his instant pot. He took it to a friend's restaurant a couple of times to have him slice it, but the restaurant closed during the pandemic. Since then he has bought his own slicer, next time I'm in Pittsburgh maybe I can get him to make it for us.

As to the rolls, as several writers on the subject of Italian beef have noted, the Gonnella or Turano rolls that are traditionally used in Chicago hold up to being drenched well. Not sure what their secret is, I think they're softer than most French rolls, though.

I have made this recipe a few times, without the garlic, though.
Italian Beef

[Mike Nolan]

I don't remember a separate King Arthur recipe, the one I use is the one that was on the cardboard sheet with the pan. If there was a second recipe sheet, I've either thrown it away or have it stuck in a stack of recipes I haven't made. How different was it?

[Mike Nolan]

The Serious Eats recipe I give a C, it has some of the characteristics of good Italian Beef but is missing something, I'll have to play with it, maybe tweaking the spices or cooking the pre-sliced meat in the jus longer. The meat itself was OK, it had the right amount of 'bite' to it, so it was sliced to the right thickness, and I nailed the roasted peppers. A different beef stock recipe might help too. Mine has a lot of tomatoes in it.

The Gonnella-like roll recipe was disappointing, I give it a D+, I'd go lower but I think I contributed to the issues by over-proofing it. It fell apart when it got wet, but it looked and tasted a lot like a sourdough bread, and IMHO sourdoughs tend to fall apart when wet. I could see using this recipe for other things, though, it has a nice caramelized taste to it.

I may try the original King Arthur recipe that came with the sandwich roll pan, I haven't made it in a while but as I recall it was pretty good, made fairly decent pizza bread, too.

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[Mike Nolan]

I used this recipe it made 4 rolls:

Gonnella-style rolls for Italian Beef

The recipe didn't specify what kind of flour, so I used KA bread flour. I wound up adding quite a bit more flour than the recipe called for to get a dough that wasn't really sticky. I used the Chicago Metallic sandwich roll pan that King Arthur used to sell to bake them. I should have greased the pan, but I was able to get the rolls off without too much damage to them.

I'm going to make the Italian Beef tonight, with some roasted sweet peppers, we'll see how the rolls stand up to being soaked in broth.

Here's the Serious Eats article on making Italian Beef using meat from the deli:
Italian Beef at home

[Mike Nolan]

Sounds like almost as much work as cutting a rutabaga. If I ever have to do that again, I'm going to use a bandsaw.

[Mike Nolan]

We had artichokes for dinner tonight, plus a little potato salad.

[Mike Nolan]

Well, the rolls stuck to the pan, which I didn't grease, and I think I over-proofed them a little, too, as they're not very tall, but they're tasty and I think I'll try them with the Italian Beef tomorrow, to see if they hold up when soggy.

[Mike Nolan]

I've concluded the fancy fluting on the edges is largely a waste of time and pie crust, in part because I'm terrible at it, but also because far too often most of that edge gets left on the plate. So I've been making simpler edges of late, and it makes the pie look better/cleaner, if simpler, too. (I still like doing a lattice crust for a cherry pie, though my wife prefers a non-latticed top.)

[Mike Nolan]

We used to live about a block from a school that had the neighborhood air raid siren. Every Wednesday when they'd do the 10:30AM test, the neighbor's dog would howl until several minutes after the sirens stopped.

In our current house, unless the windows are open I don't even hear the sirens on Wednesday.

[Mike Nolan]

At one point last night I told my wife I thought Kansas was winning the battle against South Dakota for control of Nebraska. Tonight the fireworks aren't quite as vigorous.

[Mike Nolan]

A google search for 'tobacco netting' comes up with a few possibilities for where to get some.

[Mike Nolan]

My instructor at the SFBI pastry school probably thought I was never going to get a good pie crust made, and I do admit it took me 3-4 tries after I got back home to get the knack, but once you've got it down, good tasting pie crusts aren't difficult.

One of the reasons I developed the pie dough chart was so I could size the pie dough correctly, having too much dough means a crust that is too thick or a lot of wasted dough, having too little dough means working it harder to stretch it to fit the pan, and that toughens the crust.

I've tried RLB's cream cheese pie dough a couple of times, while I think I'm making it correctly, we prefer the all-butter one I learned at SFBI.

[Mike Nolan]

As I suspected the video is way too big to post, but here's a shot of the first wave of the parade.

Our little two-block long street has been doing this parade for a few years now, getting participants from the whole neighborhood. They skipped 2020 because of the pandemic, of course, but this year's turnout may have been the largest one so far.

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[Mike Nolan]

I made some potato salad using my mother's recipe, for the 4th. Our street is having its 4th of July bike parade tomorrow, I'll see if I can get some good pictures and post them.

Happy 4th of July, everybody.

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