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Mike and Arron--Thanks for your comments on the mixer bowl size's relationship to the amount of dough. I've always thought that an ideal home mixer would have attachments that allowed for smaller and larger projects. It would save money and precious kitchen space. When I brought home the second used bread machine, I initially had no idea where I would put it, but I was able to stash it on the counter in a long narrow space that I'd not find a way to use. I still have to move it to use it, but at least it's out of the way.
Aaron--none of the Ginsberg recipes that I've baked require steam. The last bread said to brush the top with water. I settled for spritzing it well with water.
I did in the past bake some breads with steam, but I'm not sure that I did it properly, and a pan that I used developed a problem from the salt in west Texas waster. I'd like to try the steam again. I had bought a set of iron barbecue steamers (long narrow--about 2 inches wide--cast iron with grilled tops. These were recommended by someone on the now defunct KAF baking circle, but I didn't get a chance to try them. Maybe it's time to see how well they work. I also recall someone who would throw ice cubes into a hot iron pan. Ice cubes might work well with these.
When I was trying to use steam, I was also letting the bread rise in a basket and turning it out onto a cornmeal lined paddle, which I would then try to get it to slide off onto a pre-heated stone in the oven. I became tired of 1)deflating the loaf, even a bit, and 2)cleaning up the mess that the cornmeal left in the oven, especially after I had an oven that could not have a liner on the bottom.
What I would do now is use parchment, as I do for pizza. I'm going to have to try all of this again, although I've decided my next bread is going to be two loaves in regular pans so that I can stick one in the freezer.
I'm in a peculiar position, as the kneading spiral on my 7-qt mixer works better with big batches. (I'd love to know if someone with the small Cuisinart mixer has better success.) The used bread machine--for mixing and kneading only, as I don't let the dough rise in it--gave me a cheaper option than investing in a smaller mixer. I preferred the texture of the bread that was kneaded in the Zo than the first loaf, where I was constantly having to stop the mixer and adjust the dough.
I might try mixing with the paddle before switching to the dough hook, which is what I do with all of the other breads I bake.
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BakerAunt.
For dinner on Friday, I made salmon and couscous, using dill as the seasoning, as I’ve not done that for a while. We had it with microwaved fresh broccoli.
On Thursday, I again Baked the Yogurt Rye Bread from Ginsberg’s book, but this time I used full-fat Stonyfield yogurt that I bought on our grocery run yesterday. I also mixed and kneaded it in the Zo bread machine, which worked much better than my mixer for this smaller amount of dough. The dough baked into the same size of loaf, still about 3 ¾ inches high. I’ll slice it tomorrow, as we have already eaten the first loaf I baked.
Note from the next day: The bread has much better flavor and texture with the full-fat yogurt. It is still a firm bread, but the crumb seems softer to me. That may be the yogurt, but I also think that my bread machine contributed to the better texture. The bread is mild, but it does have flavor.
I also know this answer, but I appreciate Mike's detailed explanation.
On Thursday, I again Baked the Yogurt Rye Bread from Ginsberg’s book, but this time I used full-fat Stonyfield yogurt that I bought on our grocery run yesterday. I also mixed and kneaded it in the Zo bread machine, which worked much better than my mixer for this smaller amount of dough. The dough baked into the same sized loaf, still about 3 ¾ inches high. I’ll slice it tomorrow, as we have already eaten the first loaf I baked. (As I noted, it is a small loaf.)
It's good to have you back, Joan. I'm glad that your husband is recovering and that he is persevering to quit smoking. Food should start tasting much better to him now.
I have one of those thick liquid sourdough starters. Like Joan's starter, I can ignore it for weeks--or over a month. It may need an extra feeding or two to get it back up to power, but that is one reason I started doing the sourdough crackers, and it's good in pancakes. This starter is a milk-based one.
I have the same question you have about rye starters, which is why I've resisted starting one.
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If you are going to bake, you should know butter weights.
That bread looks great, Mike, and it's good to know that it tastes great as well.
I'm going to try toasting a piece of my Yogurt Rye Bread and see if that gives it more flavor.
I have two of the deli rye pans, and I use them for some breads, particularly my Limpa bread.
I plan to bake the Yogurt Rye again today. I bought full-fat Stonyfield yogurt yesterday on our shopping run to the next town. I was surprised that Walmart had it. At 7g saturated fat per cup (250g), I won't be snacking on it, but I will use the remainder to try making my own yogurt with 1% milk, so the remainder won't go to waste. I have a yogurt maker (the little jars).
I'm curious to see if the added fat makes a difference. Ginsberg did not specify a type of yogurt or what its fat content should be. The bread has no additional added fat. I'm also wondering if the buttermilk I'm buying does not have enough of the LAB to give the tang. The buttermilk that I cultured, using 200 ml of it to 600 ml 1% milk never thickened. I prefer Dean's, but I cannot get it in a half gallon. I also note that it now is 2% fat per cup rather than the 1.5% it was.
I'm also planning on using the Zo, since as I noted above, I had to keep stopping the mixer to pull the dough together, and that got aggravating over a 10-minute kneading session.
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I guessed and missed. Now that I use plastic rising buckets, I usually pat the dough into the bottom, note where the lines are, and wait for it to double. For years I avoided using rising buckets, since I have so many lovely ceramic bowls, but the bowls take heat away from the dough in the winter, and the bowls need to be covered with plastic wrap, although I did acquire some bread "shower caps" from KAF, and some German plastic discs that can cover the bowls. Once I started using the plastic dough buckets, I had to admit that they are better for letting dough rise, and I don't waste saran, which is good for my wallet and the environment.
As I noted in the baking thread from January 12, 2020, I baked this recipe. I ended up using bread flour for the "wheat flour strong in protein," Bob's Red Mill dark rye for the "fine rye flour," and King Arthur's pumpernickel for the "coarse rye flour." I used sunflower and sesame seeds.
I wrote to the publisher to point out that the quantity is incorrect, as it lists "60 rounds" but the crackers are clearly cut into squares in the recipe and in the picture. I also asked about lentils being listed as a topping. Here is the response I received:
"Thanks for the note on recipe quantity. As for the toppings for the crispbread, I have checked the original Swedish and it does indeed list “linsers,” the Swedish word for lentils. I agree that seems odd, so I think you’ve done the right thing by opting for sunflower and sesame seeds. If you wanted to get adventurous, one can cook lentils by simmering in water or broth and then roast them to create a crunchy snack that could, I imagine, be sprinkled on a crispbread. I found this recipe for roasted lentils":
https://www.edibleperspective.com/home/2013/1/3/crunchy-roasted-lentils.html
So the recipe does indeed specify lentils. I've not heard about roasting lentils. I tried roasting chickpeas last year, but while they were originally a bit crunchy, they softened up by the next day. I'd not heard about roasted lentils as a snack. It seems like a lot of work, so I will probably stick to the sunflower-sesame seed topping.
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I missed it--and I should have known better.
Buttermilk--the miracle ingredient!
Sounds like a quiz question to me, Mike! 🙂
I'm tempted to buy a carton of full-fat Stoneyfield yogurt and try the bread with it.
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