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October 26, 2024 at 6:36 am #44428
Hi,
I've had my starter in the freezer for a while (I forget how long). I thawed it out and it is a soft solid.
Have any of you revived starter? Should I add water and mix? Should I take some and mix with water in a new, clean jar?
It has a strong, sour smell so I'd like to get it going. It will make some good sourdough.
Thanks
October 26, 2024 at 12:13 pm #44430Aaron I've never froze my starter but have had it in the fridge for months and it's never went bad.I always stir the hooch back in , mine took awhile to get back to par the and I don't throw any away as discard.I did add some to a clean jar and feed that when it was all going I put it together . This works for me
October 26, 2024 at 5:58 pm #44438Aaron--I think that Joan's advice is excellent. I also have never frozen starter, but I seem to recall that at one time that was featured in a thread on the Baking Circle as a way to preserve it if someone was going on an extended trip away from home. I don't know if it is among the threads that were saved here.
I have a milk-based starter, and it does ok if ignored for a month or longer, but I find, like Joan, that it takes a couple of feedings (and using what I take out for crackers or pancakes) before the sourdough is strong enough to work without any yeast.
I just looked at all the saved threads, and I don't think the sourdough thread made it to Nebraska Kitchen from the Baking Circle.
October 26, 2024 at 6:24 pm #44440There's not a lot of research on how a frozen starter that is re-established compares to the original, though being able to rebuild a lost starter is the point of the Puratos Sourdough Library, where they keep sourdough samples frozen (including a portion in liquid nitrogen, I think.)
Prof. Michael Ganzle's writings, though, seem to support the concept that a starter is largely a product of its feeding and handling, ie, how often you feed it, what you feed it with and how it is stored in between feedings. His research suggests that regardless of where a starter is (US, Europe, Africa, Asia) starters that are maintained using similar processes are remarkably similar in terms of their microbiological makeup, ie, what strains of yeast and bacteria wind up dominating the culture. (Refrigerating vs room temperature seems to be one of the key differences, and IMHO is the primary difference between a commercial bakery's sourdough starter and most home sourdough starters.)
If that is true, then whether you re-establish a frozen or dried starter, or one that got lost in the back of the fridge, get some starter from another baker or start from scratch, you're likely to end up in a similar place in 6 months to a year. And that's not a bad thing if you have a sourdough starter you're used to maintaining and using.
October 27, 2024 at 5:18 am #44449Thanks everyone. My starter isn't liquid. It's more sludge. I guess I can add water to it and liquify it or I can pull some out, put it in a fresh jar, and hydrate that.
I'll let everyone know what I do and how it turns out.
October 27, 2024 at 12:53 pm #44453If you have space, time and other resources for it, you might consider trying to make a new starter while reviving your old one and see if you can tell them apart after a few months.
October 29, 2024 at 8:10 am #44470After several days of mixing my starter became liquid enough to move to a new jar so I did that this morning. Since it was pretty loose I also added 10g BRM ww flour. I think I'll make crackers with it before going to bread.
I also don't call it sourdough because while many use "sourdough" to mean starter with natural yeast instead of commercial, there is a lot of "sourdough" bread here with all commercial yeast, no fermentation, and flavorings added to give it a sour taste. Also, my first sour loaf was deli rye and I didn't use starter but I did give it a long, slow, overnight rise to have some fermentation and develop the sour taste.
October 29, 2024 at 4:48 pm #44478My experience has been that a rye dough/starter will develop a sour flavor in 2-3 days, it takes more like 6-8 days for me to start to notice it in a wheat product.
October 30, 2024 at 8:26 am #44486Today I used KAB bread flour. I want to tame the sour a little. It was really strong after it came out of the freezer.
My deli rye didn't use starter but the recipe calls for creating a levain (I think) of flour, water, and yeast and to let that sit for a few hours to over night. I haven't made this in a while but I typically went between 12-24 hours.
It might be good to keep a strong starter and a mild one.
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